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Random thoughts on coming out of the break

Postby PizzaNBeer » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:20 pm

Whilst we all were loving the fast start, I think it's also true that most of us had many concerns coming into the season. Mine were (in no particular order):

1) Right back. Femenia was oft-injured and also seems more interested in getting forward than defending. Janmaat the same, only not as talented and broken even more. Would Navarro be good enough to take the job and hold it. I guess we'll see now. Or, we'll see if Femenia will defend his place.

2) Left back. Holebas always fades (he does have a lot of mileage) and picks up too many yellows. Will Masina be good enough to take the job and hold it. I guess we'll see now. Or, will competition help Holebas stay motivated and his head in the game? (I doubt it).

3) Central defender. Do we have 2-3 of them that can both play defence and complete a pass occasionally. I felt good about Kabasele, but Britos and Cathcart were injury prone, and Prodl is solid enough defensively but no spring chicken, same with Mariappa. Can Wilmot grow up enough fast enough to be a factor? AFAIK he hasn't played an centre half yet. Now, no Kabasele for a game. Hmmm... I'm guessing Mariappa gets the start, but after that? Likely Britos because in an emergency he can play fullback. This makes me nervous.

4) Central midfield. I was worried that Doucoure might fade/suffer because he missed so much preseason training. Has not been as good as last year IMO, although I've no real idea if it's related. Hope the international break helps him rejuvenate a bit. Capoue a pleasant surprise early on - but we know he fades too. If Chalobah doesn't come back injured from the international break I think it's time to start him. Preferably for Capoue. That should mean better passing out of the midfield and enables Capoue to a) get some rest in the hopes of aborting his fading and b) enables him to come on for late-game impact (which to me has always seemed his best role).

5) Striker. Will anyone score? Deeney has been a pleasant surprise, as was Gray and even Success has looked bright. That said, the goals are drying up and I suspect that we've been "found out". Mark Pereyra, clog the middle, make someone else beat you or at least make the strikers beat you with movement and creativity (neither of which we have in abundance, save Gray in a straight line). I think it's time to let Success have a start instead of Gray. Okaka is dead to me. He's Collins John with muscles.

6) Left side winger/forward. Who will replace Richarlison? Pereyra has exceeded all expectations. I think he needs help from elsewhere on the pitch now though. Sema the jury is still out on.

7) Right sided forward/winger. Woo Hoo! We got Deulofeu! He'll be brilliant! Then the bloke turns up with worse tyres and suspension than the Top Gear blokes in Albania. Will he be ready to play finally? Hughes has done yeoman's work, but truly lacks the pace to permanently play out there - at least in a 4-4-2/4-2-4.

For both 6 & 7 (and potentially 5) it would be quite handy to see if Penaranda can play.

It will definitely be interesting coming out of the break. We're going to be forced to look a lot more like the side that we all thought we'd look like to start the season (less Kabasele). We could easily line up like this:

-----------------Foster
Navarro -- Cathcart ---- Britos -- Masina

Deulofeu -- Doucoure -- Chalobah -- Pereyra

--------------Success -- Deeney

Subs:

Gomes, Wilmot, Prodl, Capoue, Gray, Hughes

I'm not sure how I feel about that. It could be an upgrade all round (except for centre half), or it could be a catastrophe. It will definitely be interesting.
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Re: Random thoughts on coming out of the break

Postby WFC4ever » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:12 pm

Kabasele and Holebas out of the Wolves game then so we could have 3 of the back 4 being relatively new.

Not idea in terms of getting an understanding and consistency in the back line.

How good is Masina and I suspect it will be Mariappa rather than Britos or Prodl coming in at centre half.

Suspect Chalobah and Gerry D will come into the side once fully fit - Capoue must be close to a ban too?

Success has done well in spells and maybe we need more pace rather than physicality up front.

Be a tough game at Wolves we might well lose but the 3 after a big ones in terms of getting back into form.

Huddersfield home then Newcastle and Southampton away.
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Re: Random thoughts on coming out of the break

Postby PizzaNBeer » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:59 pm

WFC4ever wrote:Kabasele and Holebas out of the Wolves game then so we could have 3 of the back 4 being relatively new.

Not idea in terms of getting an understanding and consistency in the back line.

How good is Masina and I suspect it will be Mariappa rather than Britos or Prodl coming in at centre half.

Suspect Chalobah and Gerry D will come into the side once fully fit - Capoue must be close to a ban too?

Success has done well in spells and maybe we need more pace rather than physicality up front.

Be a tough game at Wolves we might well lose but the 3 after a big ones in terms of getting back into form.

Huddersfield home then Newcastle and Southampton away.



Mapps definitely a cooler head and you are correct, more likely to start.
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Re: Random thoughts on coming out of the break

Postby dorsetway » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Some very good points raised here, and I have to admit to being slightly alarmed in recent weeks to the way we seem to have faded. We have all moaned about our "good starts" to each season, followed by a firm slump, and whilst we look a better team this season, it really bothers me that we clearly "blow-up" seemingly exhausted at some point early each year ? Why ?

The zest we started with has drained slightly, and as usual means more and more aimless long balls in each game as time progresses. It's clear we are not technically as gifted as the top 6 - but we also seem to lack the energetic passion of several mid-table teams (Bmth)?

Gracia's known previously for hard work, defensive approach etc, but it seems this season that he has given up on that approach, because we have been pressing hard in many games to go for goal rather than simply trying to contain any opposition, which I like TBH - but it's not what JG is known for. If you look how easily we are counter attacked, and how poor we looked when "turned" - we do not actually look like a defensive/secure team ? We have known that Holebas often goes missing defensively when he's been on up the wing, but now we have the same on both sides, so I hope JG can sort this out because LB and RB positionally have been a thorn in our side for several years..
OK maybe it's more complicated that that, and maybe there are other players not doing their defensive duties, but JG needs to look back at some recent games and see where our problem lies ?
Maybe Challobah could be the answer to locking up deep midfield for us ....???
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Re: Random thoughts on coming out of the break

Postby PizzaNBeer » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:53 pm

dorsetway wrote:Some very good points raised here, and I have to admit to being slightly alarmed in recent weeks to the way we seem to have faded. We have all moaned about our "good starts" to each season, followed by a firm slump, and whilst we look a better team this season, it really bothers me that we clearly "blow-up" seemingly exhausted at some point early each year ? Why ?

The zest we started with has drained slightly, and as usual means more and more aimless long balls in each game as time progresses. It's clear we are not technically as gifted as the top 6 - but we also seem to lack the energetic passion of several mid-table teams (Bmth)?

Gracia's known previously for hard work, defensive approach etc, but it seems this season that he has given up on that approach, because we have been pressing hard in many games to go for goal rather than simply trying to contain any opposition, which I like TBH - but it's not what JG is known for. If you look how easily we are counter attacked, and how poor we looked when "turned" - we do not actually look like a defensive/secure team ? We have known that Holebas often goes missing defensively when he's been on up the wing, but now we have the same on both sides, so I hope JG can sort this out because LB and RB positionally have been a thorn in our side for several years..
OK maybe it's more complicated that that, and maybe there are other players not doing their defensive duties, but JG needs to look back at some recent games and see where our problem lies ?
Maybe Challobah could be the answer to locking up deep midfield for us ....???



I think it happens because we're old, not very deep and get injuries. Gracia probably would have rotated the squad more had we not been winning every match. It's hard to pull, say Holebas, when he's playing well and we're unbeaten. Then, when we started to lose, some of the replacements were themselves nicked up a bit. i am hopeful that we'll get a few back from injury and suspension here and get into a regular pattern of rotation.
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Re: Random thoughts on coming out of the break

Postby WFC4ever » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:47 pm

Britos and Zeegelaar played for the Under 23 today as they lost 2-0 at Millwall.

One gave away a penalty and the other got sent off!

Good job we aren't thinking of them as 1st team squad regulars!

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Re: Random thoughts on coming out of the break

Postby dorsetway » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:25 pm

I think we have to play Massina this week? Tell him to keep it sensible for a while but get forward when he can, defensive duties first.
Then either Maps or Prodl in the middle. I would say Prodl but Maps is quicker so maybe him with Cathcart...?
A bit worrying that our defence is suddenly changed so much and Kabs has been very good and quick so I am a bit concerned tbh...
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