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Not a time for what if, but..

Postby dorsetway » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:37 am

For me the greatest fault in our player recruitment revolves around the way we look for lots of cheapish options and players with skill that have not made the grade elsewhere. So effectively I would prefer we bought in a good percentage of hard working type players with good fitness, esp in defence. We have too many slow fancy players and we either play too slowly, or at a 100 mph with poor control.
In the summer we half expected GD and Douc to leave us, and in hindsight we should have sold them. GD will never be happy with us and the 50mil we could have got for them would have enabled GP to bring in 3 or 4 decent Prem players, that might have refreshed us for this season.?
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Re: Not a time for what if, but..

Postby WFC4ever » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:09 pm

Certainly are paying the price for a lack of investment in the defence.

We have so many midfielders and wide players sure we could have sacrificed one for good money to improve elsewhere as you say.

Gino is worried about Brexit and the impact on our squad - maybe explains why we have got in a load of British youngsters into the Under 23s?

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Re: Not a time for what if, but..

Postby PizzaNBeer » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:23 pm

dorsetway wrote:For me the greatest fault in our player recruitment revolves around the way we look for lots of cheapish options and players with skill that have not made the grade elsewhere. So effectively I would prefer we bought in a good percentage of hard working type players with good fitness, esp in defence. We have too many slow fancy players and we either play too slowly, or at a 100 mph with poor control.
In the summer we half expected GD and Douc to leave us, and in hindsight we should have sold them. GD will never be happy with us and the 50mil we could have got for them would have enabled GP to bring in 3 or 4 decent Prem players, that might have refreshed us for this season.?


"We have too many slow fancy players" This is an oversimplification I think. I agree that we have a lot of slow players, but they're not the fancy/technical ones. I think that we're too slow at the back and have fullbacks who cannot or will not defend. Cheapish options are fine, although I think we've picked the wrong ones and are now caught with players who are too long in the tooth (Holebas, Janmaat, etc.) backed up by cheapish players that haven't worked out. If we don't see a fairly immediate coming togther, where they attack and defend as a team, then it's "desperate search for an identity that will save you time. With our squad I think that there are two ways that you can go if it reaches that point:

1) Put your fastest and most technical 11 out there and try and make as much as you can by outscoring teams - particularly those bottom feeders. This would mean getting as many as you can of Deulofeu, Sarr, Pereyra, Capoue, Welbeck, Doucoure, Chalobah, Femenia, Quina, etc. onto the pitch and go full-bore attack mode. This might work, it could also be Fulham from last year.
2) Become a defend and bunker team that hits on the counter. This means a couple or three pacy players up high (Deulofeu, Sarr etc.) and everyone else's first and second job becomes defend like a fiend. This probably means that the likes of Holebas, Femenia, don't play much and you see more of players like Cleverley in midfield as opposed to younger, faster more dynamic players. This would eb dreary to watch and could easily devolve into hoofball - but it's the patented "Allardyce relegation avoidance" tactic.

My hope is that with some continuity at the back (Cathcart + Dawson or Cathcart + somebody) and a come-to-Jesus discussion with the fullbacks (and arguable the mids) that we'll see some overall improvement. If the likes of Holebas, Femenia, Janmaat won't commit to defence first, sit them and run out Masina and Foulquier and play option 2. It's ugly, but we have the talent to win games in this league playing hoofball and defending set pieces.
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Re: Not a time for what if, but..

Postby BeersThen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:41 pm

I'm hoping the rest of the dross continue to sink downwards. Norwich are bottom four despite having beaten City, Brighton have problems, Newcastle should be around all season. Villa might be this years Fulham, although can see them going for Fat Sam in a few weeks. Enough rubbish down there to keep us company.
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Re: Not a time for what if, but..

Postby dorsetway » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:01 pm

Pizza, yes good points and you gave me another thought.... The team got used to playing free flowing football over the last year or so, and I reckon oppo managers sussed out that if they let us attack and defend well, they will suck our FBs into the attack. Then just play us on the counter when our defence are too high up the pitch. We often give the ball away cheaply on the attack, so there's an obvious tactic.
Basically we've losy the ability to move up and back as a team/unit....
Why modern FBs can't defend first, attack second, I do not know...
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